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In which the Ranty Pants are activated [Jun. 24th, 2009|10:52 pm]
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So, Windows has just gone and upgraded Internet Explorer to a new version. Not that I actually cared one way or the other, as I hardly ever actually use IE; it's just what I use for editing my old web page (yes, it's still alive, even though most of my effort is going into the new one) because I can't be bothered setting it up as a project in Komodo Edit.

Well, I'd managed to get half an hour at lunchtime today to get up to date on the atrocities the Post Office is inflicting on the long-suffering public, so I emailed the updated file to myself at home, ready to save it to my local copy, update the "Last edited on" note on the old index page, and upload the two of them. Except that it didn't quite work that way.

First I tried to start up Internet Explorer. It wouldn't. Apparently I had to shut down and re-start my computer because it wouldn't work otherwise. So I do so (and that is why I suddenly disappeared from IRC). Once the computer booted up again, I tried running Internet Explorer.

This time it would start. And it gave me half a dozen or so "do you really want to hurt me install me" screens for me to say "yes, yes, yes, YES YOU HORRIBLE STREAM OF ELECTRONS, YOU!" to. That finally done, I fire up the old web page (fairly easy, as I've got the local copy saved as my home page), and do what I've always done: click on "View", select "Source" and get to work.

Except it wouldn't.

"View" and "Source" now brings up an uneditable (or is it "ineditable"?) version of the source code, the same way Firefox does when you do the "View" and "Page Source" thing.

It took about five minutes of playing with settings and rummaging, but I finally found where they'd hidden it. It's now under "File" and "Edit with Notepad". Considering that there's an "Edit" button between the "File" and "View" buttons anyway, that strikes me as a seriously un-intuitive way of going about things.

It would probably have been easier just to dump it all into Komodo Edit in the first place.

Windows. Making Linux look good since 2000.
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[User Picture]From: grygon
2009-06-25 06:41 am (UTC)
IE makes EVERYTHING look good.
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From: cajetan65
2009-06-26 05:30 am (UTC)

Doesn't use IE unless ABSOLUTELY necessary...

And in other news...

Have the web portal designed on paper (that is drawn out: on sheets of deconstructed tree) - and the page code is handwritten on other examples of the same material. I have downloaded Komodo - but haven't started working with it yet.

I thought I'd be "pinching" code from yours and other sites: but I wrote the whole lot from the ground up. I'm not far from getting the CSS done as well: it's a lot easier than it first appeared. Since I don't have to worry about the browser wars (it only has to look good in Firefox: and it won't be online): it shouldn't take long to get the basic stuff built (the superstructure, if you will).

Then there's the small matter of building a very large number of pages and linking them all up. The more work I do: the more features I can see are possible (and necessary, of course!) - and, of course, these will be eventually be added.

Of course, this makes the database/portal independent of the Redmond Beast re software. Bye-bye Access, bye-bye Word and Excel. Though building and populating several half-million cell tables in XHTML will be a blast. NOT!

Must locate that XHTML book I bought in Invercargill in one of my trips down there...
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[User Picture]From: southerndave
2009-07-12 04:24 am (UTC)

Re: Doesn't use IE unless ABSOLUTELY necessary...

If you're really wanting to play around with large databases and XHTML and stuff... have you thought of doing it with some sort of SQL application? I wouldn't know where to start doing something like that but SQL and PHP seem to be what a lot of big database based sites (like modern message boards, etc.) seem to use these days.
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-07-09 11:01 am (UTC)

Don't knock IE

I have been using IE since I gave up on Netscape crashing and went back to IE2 - even forgoing frames!

IE8 is presented as an upgrade in Windows Update but is still an option - I have it on the AV editing machine (XP32) but haven't loaded it on my laptop (VB64) yet. From what I've seen on the AV machine and at client sites its nice, but some sites written for older versions of IE break so need to be rendered in 'compatibility mode' - basically they sniff IE and apply 'fixes' for previous versions' broken stuff, but aren't intelligent enough to recognise that IE8 is far more standards compliant.

Firefox? Just seems too slow.

I'll stick with Windows, Word, Excel, Access, PowerPoint, Expression Web, Visio and IE thank you very much :)

(the family IT consultant)
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[User Picture]From: southerndave
2009-07-12 04:21 am (UTC)

Re: Don't knock IE

If it makes you feel any better I do like using some Microsoft programs. Photo Editor, for example, once I find out where it has gone and hid.
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